Did you like my joke?

\O/ yay updates.

First of all, thank you for taking your time to read and reply with feedback, that was very very cool.

1. I still feel the black ops need a smaller fatigue, i realise that they may be used a transportation ship instead of combat, but they have a very high skill requirement, and only a handfull of people can use them.
I've often had to jump several jumps, in order to get to my target, i know i could use gates, and i know that the whole "i'll just jump everywhere fast" mantra has to be nerfed, but still, i'll need to get back aswell. and this will now take hours! (still) Mobility means alot with these kinds of ships.. and even more so, if you use them for pve(which i've done extensively)

2. I actually kinda liked the low range of JF's this ment that 0.0 mining and all the industry that followed, would be viable and needed again. And that those who eventually ventured out and jumped stuff to an outpost, could really make some big isk.
Another little note, is that the fatigue is kinda useless here, since you'll mostly do one jump a day max.
The only real nerf i see here, is for black frog, that does this daily and muliple times a day...

Otherwise everything look good. I look forward to the changes.(ALOT)

And it just got a lot easier now that Jump Freighters have nearly their entire range back!

There it goes... Players cry, devs backpedal.

To be honest, if we could tone back both those changes, then things would be looking a damn sight better. The jump freighter doesn't have to be 10 light years, 8 light years would be still be enough to make things a little more interesting but still not completely gimp logistics. 10 LY is basically keeping the status quo as geography has no relevance at that range.

Jump freighter 8 LY and black ops at 6 LY with the 50% fatigue, and that would be progressive without completely upturning everything in one fell swoop.

If it's a Deep Space Transport (and you have Transport Ships 5, I think,) you can fit a packaged battleship inside its fleet hangar with about 10k to spare for modules and ammo.

Nevermind that they align and warp like pigs.

Soooo people will jump in cheap T1 haulers to use their jump bridge chain to get in range of their carrier cache's and end up with substantially less fatigue than if they had jumped their carriers the same distance. You really shouldn't change the JB penalties at all. This will get gamed hard.

10LY for JF's? I mean if you're gonna give into the indie whiners, then come up to like 8LY. I mean 10LY is barely even a dent, why bother even making a change for 2 LY? Now you're right back to 100% completely safe logistics chains.

Wrong. With lower range you have to take geography into account a lot more and there are areas you wouldn't be able to jump to/from, changing where you would use jump freighters (or if you would use a gate or not). Thus range is extremely important to the performance of a jump freighter.

well i'm still diapointed about teh jf nerf but i'll be able to keep playing now(so i guess it's a good one)

just 1 thing i been wodnering about and keep in mindhis might be just since i'm a jf pilot hehe

if you want to make deep space harder why not increase the range?

i mean right now with the 10 ly i have to cross 4 regions that will have to be blue ..deals will be made/kept

the less regions a jf needs to cross the less need for cooperation

that is exactly what small groups would need to be able to have a fighting chance

the chance to not be forced to be part of the larger groups

just an idea

The whole Grr Goons is quite pointless in your response, as I was not calling for a nerf of highsec production. I'm merely pointing out that the production economy will always pick the path that is safer and therefore, more competitive and profitable over the less safer and risk mitigating option. It's an axiom. Increasing the risks of logistics and production in null without adjusting for the loss of competitiveness and profitability is never going to facilitate a highly localized and independent null production economy.

How? They are getting a range increase and a 50% reduction in fatigue. Suck it up. This is more reasonable than the original prolosal.

Also CCP greyscale one thought came up about supers and gates, I think the main problem people see is that you are going to have 200 man super fleets going gate to gate for lols. You should make the gate guns hit harder on capitals who choose to agro in lowsec, aka damage fit the class, also if the capital agro's on the gate, his other capital buddies should not be able to remote rep as he is flagged a criminal.

-BC

It can still be useful at forcing them through a choke point, but CCP has said they will take a look at them in the future.

Except renters are rarely interested in fighting. If they were they could get far more permissive use of space in the actual coalitions without having to pay rent.

Without knowing your future plans for the ship, aside from the obvious need for a cycle time reduction on industrial cores (perhaps 60 seconds, and 45 seconds on a t2 variant? Hmm? Some reason to finally train the skill beyond 1, given that there is no worthwhile benefit right now), the drone bonus seems like the better of the two to have.

Honestly, I have no idea how CCP will try to pull Rorquals into the belts. Now, when one can bypass cynojammers with dreads and motherships, that Rorqual would be doomed if noticed by any semi-competent PVPer. Best practice would be something like this:
- find a system where Rorqual sits usually;
- sneak and logoff your capitals there;
- on the other day, get a tackle on Rorqual;
- login and kill.
And drone bonuses will not help with that.
Seriously, I think nerfing cynojammers is a huge mistake, considering capital proliferation.